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Micropop UPS

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:57 pm
by rcosby
We're trying to design a "micropop in a box" solution that will include a Netonix DC switch, 1-2 airfiber 5 (or 3 or 2)X backhauls, and up to 3 rockets. I'd like to be able to have at least a little battery backup for the system, preferably at 48V.

An suggestions on the UPS component? I've used meanwell DR-UPS-40 plus 24V power supplies in the past with pretty good success, but that's not 48V. Tycon's 48V battery charger / ups looks interesting but takes up a lot of space. Other thoughts we've played with include using a 48V power supply plus a 48V solar charge controller.

Any success stories or other ideas?

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:06 pm
by sirhc
If you use a WS-12-250-DC your batteries can be between 9-60V and still power 24V and 48V devices and you do not need conditioned power.

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:30 am
by Travis_WVN
I'm having good results with the Powerstream 48V DIN-Rail mounted units. AC to DC48V, with battery backup option!
http://www.powerstream.com/48V-backup.htm

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:49 pm
by rcosby
I checked on that UPS, but they said they had a bad batch and the voltages wouldn't adjust correctly.

What is the difference between that and a normal 48v din rail power supply?

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:45 pm
by sakita
sirhc wrote:If you use a WS-12-250-DC your batteries can be between 9-60V and still power 24V and 48V devices and you do not need conditioned power.


When it comes to keeping the equipment size down, that voltage flexibility is very nice. :cool:

Meanwell DRC-100A + 1 @ 12V battery = good enough for a low-power site.

https://www.meanwell-web.com/en/product ... t/DRC-100A

We looked at 24V and 48V solutions (including Powerstream) but for the application we're doing having a single 12V battery helps make it all fit in the box. IIRC, the batteries we're using are Alpha 85GXL-HP which gives us plenty of run-time if the power goes out.

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:34 pm
by rcosby
I agree that battery will give you lots of run-time. But how long does it take to recharge a battery that size with that small of a power supply, allowing enough power for your equipment?

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:28 pm
by sakita
How long it takes to recharge depends on how long you run it down and how much of the 100W capacity you are using. :smile:

Seriously though, I haven't formally tested it. We should have decent charging output as we're typically only using 35W or so.

In your case, 2 @ AirFiber could be 36W to 51W by themselves. Add in 3 rockets and that's another 24W. Add about 8W for the switch.

So, your talking < 70 to > 80W right off-the-bat. You'd be close to the edge power-wise so it could be a long recharge if it can handle it at all.

In our case, we're typically 35W to 50W which allows plenty of temperature de-rating as well as recharge current.

Maybe Meanwell will come up with a 200W version.

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:01 pm
by rcosby
I've made pretty good headway on our micropop box.

I'm using a 240W (5A) 48V power supply with four 12AH batteries and limit our load to ~100W.

Someone smarter than me recommended I don't put more load on than 20% of our battery AH capacity. In other words, if I use 12AH of battery, I should only allow 20% of 12A = 2.4A or 115W of load. I'm estimating about 2.5 hours of run-time if I try not to ruin my battery by going too low. I will use the netonix port shutdown features as a "LVD."

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:03 am
by sakita
So what power supply are you using?

Re: Micropop UPS

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:24 am
by rcosby
MeanWell SDR 240-48